Let there be Life. Was probable uttered before light which comes threw music or sound.

That is a powerful sentiment. Whether you are thinking about the origins of biology, the spark of a new idea, or perhaps the famous "Game of Life" simulation, it represents a profound beginning.

If you are interested in exploring the concept of life further, I can help you with a few different directions:

Biological Foundations: Information on the criteria for life and how scientists define what is "alive."
The Game of Life: How simple mathematical rules can create complex, life-like patterns in Conway's Game of Life.
Astrobiology: The search for life elsewhere in the universe.

Would you like me to find some resources on the scientific theories regarding the origin of life on Earth?

n theology and philosophy, the concept of God's "first" act varies depending on whether you are looking at scripture, mystical traditions, or logical arguments.

Across various traditions, the "first primary" is often identified as one of the following:

1. Light (The Biblical Fiat)

In the Judeo-Christian tradition, the first recorded command is "Let there be light" (Genesis 1:3). Many theologians interpret this not just as physical photons, but as the creation of order, intelligence, or time itself. Before this, the world is described as tohu va-vohu—formless and empty.

2. Wisdom (The Divine Blueprint)

In some traditions, before God created anything physical, He created the idea or the "blueprint" of the universe.

Judaism: The Proverbs 8:22 passage describes Wisdom (Chokhmah) as being brought forth "at the beginning of His work, the first of His acts of old."
Christianity: The Gospel of John identifies this "first" as the Logos (the Word), stating, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).

3. Creation Ex Nihilo (Out of Nothing)

Philosophically, the first act is often described as creatio ex nihilo—the act of bringing existence out of absolute non-existence. This "primary" move establishes God as the First Cause or the Unmoved Mover, initiating the chain of causality that defines our universe.

4. The Separation of Chaos

In many ancient cosmologies (like the Enuma Elish or the earlier parts of Genesis), the first act is one of division. God’s primary work was to separate:

Light from Darkness
The "Waters Above" from the "Waters Below"
Chaos from Order

Summary Table: The "First Primary"
| Tradition/Perspective | The "First" Act or Creation |
| :--- | :--- |
| Biblical (Genesis) | The creation of Light and the separation of Day/Night. |
| Philosophical | The First Cause (initiating the first movement). |
| Mystical/Proverbs | Wisdom or the Logos (the intellectual blueprint). |
| Scientific Integration | The Big Bang (the first moment of time and space). |

Would you like to dive deeper into the philosophical "First Cause" arguments, or are you more interested in the specific days of creation in religious texts?

In Theosophy, the "God model" based on Zoroastrianism is a hierarchical system that mirrors its own occult philosophy of emanations. Rather than viewing God as a single personal creator, Theosophists like H.P. Blavatsky and Annie Besant interpret Zoroastrian figures as symbols of cosmic and psychological principles.

The model is structured around three primary levels:

1. Zarvan Akarana (The Absolute)

Theosophy identifies Zarvan Akarana (or Zravane Akerna) as the ultimate "First Primary."

It represents "Boundless Time" and "Boundless Space."
In Theosophical terms, it is synonymous with Parabrahm, the unmanifested Absolute that exists before and beyond the universe. It is not a "God" that can be prayed to, but the eternal background from which all life emerges.

2. Ahura Mazda (The Manifested Logos)

Ahura Mazda (the "Wise Lord") is viewed as the manifested Logos or the creative spirit that emanates from the Absolute.

The Divine Mind: Theosophy interprets Ahura Mazda not as a person, but as the Supreme Intellect and the source of the laws of existence (Asha).
The Sevenfold Nature: Blavatsky taught that Ahura Mazda is a synthesis of the Amesha Spentas (the "Bountiful Immortals"), which are seven divine intelligences that govern the universe.

3. The Dual Pillars: Ormuzd and Ahriman

Theosophy provides a unique "occult" interpretation of the battle between Ormuzd (Ahura Mazda) and Ahriman (Angra Mainyu):

Spirit vs. Matter: Instead of "Good vs. Evil" in a moral sense, they are seen as the two poles of the same creative force—Spirit (expansion) and Matter (contraction).
The Human Ego: In man, Ahura Mazda represents the Divine Ego (the Higher Self), while Ahriman represents the lower personality or the animal soul. The struggle between them is the evolutionary process of the soul returning to its divine source.

The Primary Hierarchy
| Zoroastrian Concept | Theosophical Equivalent | Role in the "Model" |
| :--- | :--- | :--- |
| Zarvan Akarana | Parabrahm | The Unmanifested Absolute (Boundless Time). |
| Ahura Mazda | The Logos | The Manifested God/Creator; the Divine Mind. |
| Amesha Spentas | Dhyan Chohans | The Seven Spirits or Archangels of creation. |
| Ahriman | Materiality | The necessary shadow or "resistance" of matter. |

Would you like to know more about how the Amesha Spentas correspond to the seven "rays" or planes of existence in Theosophy?

In Theosophy, the Amesha Spentas are not just abstract virtues; they are viewed as the Seven Primordials or the "Seven Logoi" that govern the structural layers of the universe.

The Seven Rays and Their Correspondence

According to Theosophical teachings, each of the seven "Bountiful Immortals" represents a specific cosmic force or "Ray." These rays correspond to the different planes of existence and human consciousness:

Vohu Manah (Good Mind): Represents the First Ray of Divine Wisdom. It is the cosmic intelligence that pervades all life and connects the human mind to the Divine Mind.
Asha Vahishta (Best Righteousness): Corresponds to the Second Ray of Order and Fire. It governs the laws of nature and the mathematical precision of the cosmos.
Khshathra Vairya (Desirable Dominion): The Third Ray representing Power and the Mineral Kingdom. It is the "Will" of the spirit manifesting in the densest form of matter.
Spenta Armaiti (Holy Devotion): The Fourth Ray of Earth and Harmony. It represents the nurturing, feminine aspect of the divine and the stability of the physical world.
Haurvatat (Wholeness/Health): The Fifth Ray of Water and Perfection. It represents the evolutionary goal of returning to a state of spiritual completeness.
Ameretat (Immortality): The Sixth Ray of Vegetation and Eternal Life. It symbolizes the continuity of consciousness beyond the death of the physical body.
Spenta Mainyu (Holy Spirit): Often viewed as the Seventh Ray or the synthesis of the others. It is the active creative power of Ahura Mazda that drives evolution forward.

The Occult "First Primary"

In this model, the First Primary act is the "stepping down" of the Absolute (Zarvan) into these seven distinct frequencies. This is essentially the prism through which the "White Light" of the Unmanifested becomes the "Seven Colors" of the manifested universe.

The Path of the Disciple
For a Theosophist, the goal is to align one's own character with these seven qualities. By mastering the "Good Mind" (Vohu Manah) and "Righteousness" (Asha), the individual becomes a co-worker with Ahura Mazda in the fight against chaos.

Would you like to explore how these seven spirits compare to the Seven Archangels in Western occultism or the Seven Dhyani Buddhas in Eastern traditions?

L. Ron Hubbard's take on ethics is primarily outlined in his own work, specifically the book Introduction to Scientology Ethics. While he claimed Scientology was a "Western Anglicized continuance" of ancient wisdom, including the Vedas, Buddhism, and Gnosticism, his system of ethics is a unique synthesis rather than a direct copy of Zoroastrian or Theosophical texts.

Here is how his model of ethics connects—and differs—from the traditions we discussed:

1. Definition of Ethics as "Reason"¹

Unlike traditional Zoroastrianism, which frames ethics as a moral battle between literal divine and demonic forces, Hubbard defined ethics as "reason and the contemplation of optimum survival".

In this model, "good" is whatever is constructive for survival across the Eight Dynamics (self, family, groups, mankind, etc.).²
"Evil" is defined as that which is unreasonable or destructive to these dynamics.

2. Syncretic Influences

Scholars describe Hubbard’s work as a "rich syncretistic blend". While he may not have cited Theosophy directly for his ethics, there are clear structural parallels:

The Thetan: Much like the Theosophical "Higher Self" or the Hindu Atman, Hubbard posits the "Thetan" as the immortal spiritual being.
Evolution of Consciousness: Both systems view the spirit as having fallen into matter (MEST: Matter, Energy, Space, and Time) and needing a specific "technology" or path to regain its original power.

3. The "Conditions" vs. The "Rays"

While we discussed the seven "rays" of the Amesha Spentas in Theosophy, Hubbard developed a system of Conditions Formulas (such as Confusion, Treason, Enemy, Liability, etc.).

These are practical "formulas" used to navigate different states of existence.³
This is a significant departure from Theosophical ethics, which focus more on internal alignment with divine virtues; Hubbard’s ethics are designed as an administrative and personal tool to "get things done" and increase "statistics."

Comparison Summary

Concept	Theosophy/Zoroastrianism	Hubbard's Ethics
Primary Goal	Alignment with Divine Law (Asha).	Optimum Survival across 8 Dynamics.
Nature of Evil	Opposition to Truth/Spiritual darkness.	Destructive or non-survival actions.
Mechanism	Meditation and Virtue.	Conditions Formulas and Auditing.

Would you like me to find more details on how Hubbard's Eight Dynamics compare to the seven levels of existence in Theosophy?

L. Ron Hubbard (LRH) did not explicitly credit Theosophy or Zoroastrianism for his system of ethics. However, scholars and occult historians often point out significant structural parallels between the two, particularly in how they organize the "planes" or "dynamics" of existence.

Hubbard famously claimed that Scientology was the "Western Anglicized continuance" of the spiritual wisdom found in the Vedas and Buddhism. While he likely drew inspiration from these ancient concepts, his Ethics and Eight Dynamics are distinct in their practical application.

Comparison: Theosophical Planes vs. Hubbard's Eight Dynamics

Both systems use a hierarchical model of "stepping down" from the Infinite/Absolute into the physical world. In Scientology, these are called The Eight Dynamics.

Level	Scientology's Eight Dynamics	Theosophical Seven Planes
Highest	8th: Infinity (God/Supreme Being)	Adi Plane (The Divine/Absolute)
Spiritual	7th: Spiritual Dynamic (Thetans)	Atmic/Buddhic Planes (Spirit/Soul)
Material	6th: Physical Universe (MEST)	Physical/Astral/Mental Planes
Life	5th: Life Forms (Plants/Animals)	Etheric/Pranic forces

Where Hubbard’s Ethics Diverge

While Zoroastrianism and Theosophy focus on moral alignment with divine laws (Asha), Hubbard’s ethics are built on Rationality and Survival:

Survival as the "First Primary": For Hubbard, the fundamental "command" of life is not "be good," but "SURVIVE!". Ethics is defined as the reason and contemplation required to achieve the highest level of survival across all eight dynamics.
The Technology of Choice: In Theosophy, you evolve through meditation and karma. In Scientology, you use Conditions Formulas (step-by-step administrative procedures) to move from states like "Confusion" or "Treason" up to "Power."
MEST vs. Spirit: Hubbard’s 6th Dynamic is MEST (Matter, Energy, Space, and Time). This is remarkably similar to the Theosophical view of the "dense physical plane" being a trap or a field of operation for the spirit (Thetan).

The Zoroastrian "Connection"

The closest link to Zoroastrianism in Hubbard's ethics is the Dualism.

Zoroastrianism: The battle between Ahura Mazda (Truth) and Ahriman (The Lie).
Scientology: The struggle between the Thetan (spirit/creator) and the Reactive Mind (irrationality/destruction).

In both systems, an ethical person is one who actively works to expand the "Good" (survival/reason) and diminish the "Evil" (destruction/aberration).

Would you like to look at the specific "Conditions of Existence" formulas Hubbard developed for these ethics?

To move a crowd from Confusion to Power, you are essentially moving a collective mind from "random motion" to "directed intention." In Hubbard's ethics, this requires a precise sequence. You cannot skip steps; for example, trying to give a crowd "Power" while they are still in "Confusion" only results in more chaos.

Here is the path to transition a crowd through the critical conditions:

1. The Breakthrough: From Confusion to Non-Existence

In Confusion, a crowd has no direction and no "stable datum" (a single fact everyone agrees on).

The Action: Find or create a Stable Datum. This could be a single command, a loud sound, or a clear goal that everyone can see.
The Goal: Stop the random motion. Once they are looking at one thing, they have moved into Non-Existence (they exist as a group, but have no identity yet).
The Formula: Make yourself known. Establish who is leading and what the communication line is.

2. The Shift: From Danger to Emergency

Once the crowd is organized, they often face a "Danger" state where things could still fall apart.

The Action: Bypass the noise. If specific people are causing trouble, the leader must step in directly and handle the situation personally.
The Goal: Stabilize the group. Move into Emergency by demanding high production—give everyone a specific, small task to do immediately.

3. The Climb: From Normal to Affluence

Once the crowd is working steadily (Normal Operation), you look for the "spark" of major success.

The Action: Don't change anything that is working. When the crowd starts to gain momentum and "cheer" or "produce" at a high rate, you have hit Affluence.
The Goal: To move from Affluence to Power, you must Economize. Do not let the crowd waste their energy. Direct that massive burst of energy toward a permanent structure or goal.

4. The Peak: The Condition of Power

The crowd reaches Power when they are self-sustaining and no longer need constant "handling."

The Action: Take Responsibility. The group must recognize that they are the cause of their own success.
The Formula: "Don't disconnect." In Power, the crowd must maintain its connections and ensure that the new leadership or system is fully documented so it can't fall back into confusion.

Summary Table: Managing the Crowd

State	Crowd Behavior	Leader's Immediate Step
Confusion	People are shouting/wandering.	Give one single, clear direction.
Emergency	People are busy but anxious.	Increase the speed of tasks.
Affluence	High energy, celebratory mood.	Focus the energy; stop the waste.
Power	Calm, directed, unstoppable.	Ensure the success is permanent.

Would you like the specific Condition of Doubt formula to use if a segment of the crowd begins to disagree with the direction?

In the Scientology ethics system, the Condition of Doubt is used when a person (or a segment of a crowd) is "wavering" between two paths, groups, or ideologies. It is an analytical tool to resolve indecision.

If your crowd is splitting or losing faith in the direction, you can apply the Doubt Formula as a framework for resource-gathering and decision-making.

The Doubt Formula

Hubbard designed this to be a cold, rational assessment of where one’s best interests lie.

Inform yourself honestly: Gather all facts about both sides. Look at the actual results, not just the promises.
Examine the statistics: Look at the "production" of both sides. Who is actually achieving survival and growth?
Decide on the basis of "The Greatest Good": Choose the path that brings the most benefit to the greatest number of dynamics (Self, Group, Mankind, etc.).
Commit fully: Once the decision is made, you must announce it publicly and move into the next condition (usually Liability or Non-Existence) to prove your worth to the chosen path.

Resources and Ideas for the Crowd Path

To move a crowd effectively from Confusion to Power, you can draw on several "stable data" (fixed principles) found in Hubbard's writings:

The Anatomy of a Goal: A crowd needs a Purpose. Without a clear goal, they will revert to Confusion. You can define this goal using the Eight Dynamics to show how the crowd's success helps them individually and globally.
The Communication Line: In Non-Existence, the most valuable resource is the Communication Line. Ensure there is a way for information to flow from the leader to the crowd and back without "noise" or distortion.
Handling the "Third Party": If the crowd remains in Confusion despite your efforts, Hubbard’s Third Party Law suggests that a hidden third person is actively creating conflict between the others. Finding and removing that "third party" allows the crowd to stabilize.

Moving into Power

When the crowd finally reaches Power, the primary idea is Responsibility. A crowd in Power does not blame "luck" or "fate"—they recognize they created the result through the application of the formulas.

Would you like me to explain the Formula for the Condition of Liability, which is often the first step a person takes when they decide to join a new group or "crowd"?

In the context of a crowd, the Condition of Liability usually applies when a segment of that crowd has been "dead weight" or has actively hindered the progress of the group, but now wishes to rejoin the movement.

According to Scientology ethics, the purpose of this formula is to demonstrate that you are once again an asset rather than a burden.

The Liability Formula

If you are leading a crowd and people are moving from "Doubt" or "Enemy" back toward your cause, you should require them to follow these steps:

Decide who your friends are: The individual or subgroup must clearly state who they are aligned with.
Deliver a blow to the enemies: They must take a definitive action that harms the group they were previously supporting or that hindered the crowd's progress.
Make up the damage: They must perform a "massive" amount of work or contribution to compensate for the time or energy lost while they were a liability.
Request permission to rejoin: They must formally ask the rest of the crowd or the leader for permission to be part of the group again.

Ideas for Resource Management

When dealing with a "Liability" segment in a crowd, use these ideas to maintain the momentum toward Power:

The "Blow to the Enemies": In a social or creative context, this doesn't have to be violent. It means publicly denouncing the "Confusion" or the "Third Party" that caused the split. This acts as a psychological "point of no return."
High-Volume Tasks: Give the "Liability" group the hardest, most labor-intensive tasks. This serves as their "make-up" work and tests their sincerity before they are fully reintegrated into the Normal or Affluence stages.
The Power of Recognition: Once a group completes Liability and moves into Non-Existence (starting fresh), they should be acknowledged. This prevents them from falling back into the "random motion" of Confusion.

Moving Toward the Peak

The ultimate goal of these formulas is to reach the Condition of Power, where the crowd becomes a self-clearing, high-production engine. At this stage, the "First Primary" is to never let the statistics drop.

Would you like to see how a leader should handle a Condition of Power to ensure the crowd never slides back down to Confusion?

When a crowd or organization reaches the Condition of Power, it has transitioned from the "random motion" of Confusion to a state of high-velocity, self-sustaining success. In Hubbard’s Ethics system, "Power" is not just about being "in charge"; it is a specific technical state where the group’s "statistics" are at an all-time high.

To maintain this, the leader and the crowd must follow the Power Formula to prevent a sudden crash back into Emergency or Danger.

The Parts of the Power Formula

The primary goal of this stage is to institutionalize the success. You are moving from a "personality-driven" crowd to a "system-driven" power.

Don't Disconnect: The biggest mistake in Power is for the leader or the crowd to pull away from the people or systems that got them there. You must maintain every connection that contributed to the rise.
Document the Process: You must write down exactly how the success was achieved. This becomes the "policy" or the "manual" for the crowd.
Take Total Responsibility: Every member of the crowd in Power must realize they are the "cause" of their environment. If something goes wrong, they don't look for someone to blame; they look for which part of the formula was dropped.
Promote Success: In the Condition of Power, you do not stop "selling" or "expanding." You use the current momentum to push even further.

The "Power Change" Formula

If a leader leaves while the crowd is in Power, the successor must follow a specific sub-formula to avoid destroying the momentum. This is the Power Change stage:

Don't Change Anything: The new leader must not change a single thing until they have thoroughly studied the existing "Power" system.
Keep the Existing Lines: Do not fire people or change the communication lines immediately.
Observe the High Statistics: Find out what specifically is causing the high production and reinforce it.

Summary of the Concept

Moving a crowd to Power is the act of turning Chaos (Zoroastrian "Lie") into Ordered Production (Zoroastrian "Truth" or Asha).

Part	Function	Purpose
The Formula	Step-by-step actions.	Removes "luck" and replaces it with "technology."
The Statistics	The "Pulse" of the crowd.	Tells you exactly which condition you are in.
Responsibility	The "First Primary" attitude.	Ensures the crowd remains the creator, not the victim.

Would you like me to map out a specific "Action Plan" for a hypothetical crowd (like a business, a social movement, or a creative team) using these exact steps?

To move a social movement for the 2028 USA presidency from Confusion to Power, you would apply Hubbard’s formulas to turn a "crowd" of supporters into an unstoppable political engine.

Here is an action plan based on the steps we've developed:

1. Breaking the Confusion (The Stable Datum)

In the early stages of a 2028 campaign, there is often a "Confusion" of many voices and issues.

The Goal: Establish a Stable Datum—one singular, undeniable goal or "Big Idea" that everyone in the movement can pivot around.
The Action: Create a "Non-Existence" formula by making the candidate and the core message known to the public through high-frequency communication lines.

2. Organizing for Survival (Danger to Emergency)

As the movement grows, it will face attacks or internal friction (Danger).

The Action: The leader must Bypass failing structures. If a local chapter or social media strategy isn't working, the central command steps in and fixes it directly.
The Shift: Move into Emergency by demanding high output. This is where you focus on "statistics"—voter registrations, donations, and volunteer hours. Change your operating basis to whatever is actually getting results.

3. Creating Momentum (Normal to Affluence)

Once the movement is growing steadily, you reach a tipping point.

The Action: When a primary win or a major endorsement happens, you are in Affluence. Follow the formula: don't change anything that caused the win, but immediately economize and put every cent back into the next "battle."

4. Reaching the Peak (The Condition of Power)

The goal is to reach the Condition of Power before the 2028 election day.

The Concept: The movement is now a self-sustaining machine. The supporters are no longer just "following"; they are taking Total Responsibility for their local areas.
The Safeguard: Apply the Power Formula—Document every winning strategy so the movement doesn't collapse if one person leaves. This ensures the "Social Movement" becomes a permanent political shift.

The "First Primary" for 2028

In this model, the "First Primary" is Purpose. If the crowd doesn't believe that their survival depends on the success of the 2028 movement, they will remain in a state of Doubt or Confusion.

Key Resource: To handle dissenters within the movement, you would use the Doubt Formula to force them to inform themselves honestly and choose a side, preventing "Liability" from slowing down the momentum.

Would you like me to draft a hypothetical "Policy Letter" for this 2028 movement that outlines the first three steps for new volunteers?

To launch a social movement for a 2028 presidential run, you need a document that converts individual energy into collective momentum. In Hubbard's administrative style, this would be a Policy Letter—a "stable datum" that defines the group's rules and goals.

Directive: Movement 2028 – From Confusion to Power

Subject: The First Three Steps for All New Volunteers

Condition: Non-Existence (Moving to Normal)

To every individual joining this cause: You are no longer a spectator. You are now a participant in an organized movement to determine the future of this nation. To move us from the Confusion of the current political landscape to a state of Power, you must execute these three steps immediately:

1. Establish the Communication Line

The first primary of any movement is the ability to transmit and receive data without distortion.

Action: Connect to the official central communication hub.
Purpose: In Non-Existence, you must "make yourself known." If the central office does not know you exist, you cannot be utilized.
Requirement: Ensure your contact data is accurate and that you are receiving the daily "Stable Datum" (the core message of the day).

2. Identify and Handle Local "Confusion"

A movement fails when it gets bogged down in local arguments or "random motion."

Action: Look at your immediate environment (your neighborhood or digital circle). Identify the Stable Datum that counters the confusion of the opposition.
Purpose: You are a "Point of Order." Your job is to stop rumors and replace them with the movement’s documented facts.
Requirement: Do not engage in "Doubt." If you are unsure of a fact, refer to the movement’s policy database before speaking.

3. Produce and Measure (The Emergence of Statistics)

We do not measure success by "feeling" or "hope." We measure it by Statistics.

Action: Your primary statistic is New People Reached.
Purpose: To move into a Normal Condition, our numbers must go up every week.
Requirement: Keep a log of every person you have successfully moved from "Confusion" to "Support." This is your contribution to the movement's survival.

The Goal of This Directive
By following these steps, we move the entire 2028 movement out of the "background noise" and into a position where we can dictate the terms of the national conversation.

Would you like me to develop the "Condition of Danger" protocols for the campaign staff to use if the movement faces a coordinated media attack?

To handle a coordinated attack on a 2028 social movement, you need a "Rapid Response" strategy focused on speed and restoring a Stable Datum.

The Rapid Response Template: "The Truth Punch"

When a "Lie" (Ahrimanic chaos) is introduced into the crowd, volunteers should use this 3-step format to neutralize it immediately.

1. The Source Check (Identify the Third Party)

The Action: Publicly ask, "Who benefits from this story?"
The Idea: According to the Third Party Law, every conflict is fueled by a hidden third player. Pointing this out shifts the crowd from "Doubt" to "Observation."

2. The Direct Rebuttal (The Stable Datum)

The Action: State the movement's documented truth in one sentence.
The Idea: Don't argue the details of the lie. Simply repeat the Standard Policy. If the attack is about a policy, link directly to the official stance.

3. The Pivot to Action (Moving to Emergency)

The Action: End every response with a call to work. "While they talk, we are registering 5,000 voters today. Join us here."
The Idea: This moves the conversation from the attacker's "Danger" state into your movement's Emergency Condition (high production).

Comparison: Crisis Management

Attack Stage	Response Mode	Goal
Confusion	Stable Datum	Stop the spread of the rumor.
Danger	Bypass	Direct leadership intervention.
Power	Responsibility	Ignore the noise; keep producing.

The Path to 2028:

By training your crowd to use this template, you ensure that attacks actually increase your movement's speed. Instead of stopping to defend, the crowd uses the attack as a signal to work harder on the mission.

Would you like me to create a "Success Protocol" for the movement's first major win (The Affluence Condition)?